Hi Ariel-
A possible counter-explanation is only that. My story has been online for 7 years (google "carrots and cancer Ralph Cole) but he hasn't offered an explanation why my tumors stopped on 3 cups per day and shrank on 5 cups per day. It's funny that he calls it "cherry-pick"-ing and gets in a "scienceblog". Looks to me to be "oxymoron-ish".
I put up a new post on CancerIsOver.org a few days ago called "From the Mailbag" which has a letter from Ann you might find inspiring.
I would be surprised if carrot juice works for everybody. Cancer has many causes. We are finding that it works at least very often. These guys would have you believe it works for no one, and that it hurts to try. That doesn't sound very scientific to me. [added: Considering how many lives are potentially at stack if they are wrong, maybe they should do a little investigating before they present their conclusions. My contact information is right there and Ann's is on her website. If anyone doubted our stories, they could have easily reached us and shared their concerns directly with us.]
Good luck with the juicing. 2.2 kg is about 5 lbs. Unless the cause of your cancer is way different from the cause mine had, you will be way beyond the point of equilibrium (mine was 3 lbs. per day juiced). I'm sorry about your back, but I'm glad that you've been able to use it to your advantage.
Best wishes,
Ralph Cole
Hi Ariel,
Below is a piece on tamoxifen from John R. Lee's book, What Your Doctor Won't Tell You About Breast Cancer. I think it's very worth reading.
About me, The PET scan was interpreted by my doctor as having two tumors between the lungs "avid for sugar" and "rapidly growing." These were good sized tumors an inch long each and a quarter inch in diameter. I didn't have them biopsied because biopsies can spread cancer and I was told the biopsy would be painful. I think the docs knew what they were looking at. Here's from John R. Lee--
We hope that those promoting Tamoxifen remember to mention how many women taking it suffer from blood clots, deterioration of vision, and diminished quality of life (hot flashes, night sweats). Also, how many women have been forced to have a hysterectomy due to a particularly aggressive form of tamoxifen-caused uterine cancer? It's rarely mentioned that women actually die of tamoxifeninduced uterine cancer. When these women die of uterine cancer instead of breast cancer, it improves the breast cancer statistics. This makes tamoxifen look good, but it's a moot issue to the women in question.
If the side effects of tamoxifen are this bad, why is it being used at all, and why is it being trumpeted so loudly as the great cure-all, to the extent that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) even approved its use as a preventive? It's the moldy rice problem again. It's the lesser of many evils; it's better than nothing. Very few other FDA-approved pharmaceuticals have been made available to oncologists treating breast cancer. Theoretically—on paper, in test tubes, and in laboratory animals used as models for human breast cancer—tamoxifen looks promising, and the rationale for using it is based on a solid scientific foundation: Estrogens increase the rate that breast cancer cells proliferate, and tamoxifen slows the rate of cell proliferation by acting as an antiestrogen.
Unfortunately, breast cancer cells in a test tube and laboratory animals can't really explain to us how they feel, and don't live long enough to give us a genuine appreciation for long-term health risks. Research investigating the effects of tamoxifen on hormone-dependent cancers looks good in the short term. However, in reality, tamoxifen is unnatural to the human body, and these side effects are the body's warning signals that something is terribly wrong.
Tamoxifen has been available for 25 years and its effect on breast cancer prevention is still being debated: This in and of itself should tell us something. Two studies, a five-year placebo-controlled one from England in 1992, and a nine-year placebo-controlled one from Italy in 1998, showed no difference in cancer incidence between tamoxifen- treated women and controls. The only large study in the United States was cut short, supposedly because the incidence of breast cancer dropped so much in the tamoxifen group that they couldn't justify withholding this treatment from the placebo group. It's worth noting, however, that the trial was stopped at around the same time that breast cancer began to reappear, despite the tamoxifen, in the two European studies.
The lessons we learned from those studies are that in some women tamoxifen may put a breast cancer to sleep for a few years, and in women who have breast cancer it may slow the rate of recurrence for a few years. But in the long term it tends to do more harm than good. Again, the only reason this is such a popular treatment right now is that it seems to oncologists to be better than doing nothing, which many of them believe is the only other viable option open to them. But as you'll discover, it's definitely not the only option available.
For the most part, it's only in the United States that doctors still believe tamoxifen significantly prevents or reverses breast cancer. In fact, now even the National Cancer Institute (NCI) has come out with a statement that in all but a very narrow group of women under the age of sixty, tamoxifen may do more harm than good in terms of preventing cancer. Despite this, the FDA just approved the use of tamoxifen to treat a form of breast cancer known as ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS). You'll understand later in the book why we believe this is an outrageous move.
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:46:43 -0800
From: ralph90015@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: John R. Lee, M.D. on Tamoxifen
To: anncameron2009@hotmail.com
Hi Ann-
I was thinking that the John Lee excerpt in your last email to Ariel and I is a bit long but instead of skipping it maybe we can link to it somehow, although I'm not sure how. What do you think?
Ralph
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 9:19 AM
Dear Ralph,
Good idea.
link: http://www.johnleemd.com/store/breast_chp_one.html
Ann
PS. Here's more from the first chapter.
Chapter One of What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Breast Cancer is about the politics of breast cancer, whether mammograms, chemo and radiation really hurt or help, why tamoxifen is not prevention and why DCIS is not a true breast cancer.
Radiation is the most common treatment for breast cancer following surgery, and yet a recent article in the prestigious British medical journal Lancet showed that this treatment is not working. In fact, while using local radiation to treat breast cancer reduces deaths from this disease by 13.2 percent, it increases death from other causes, mostly heart disease, by 21.2 percent. The obvious conclusion of this study: "The treatment was a success but the patient died."
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013, 2:08 AM
Hi Ariel-
I want to thank you for believing in our message about carrot juice and what it can accomplishment, and for taking a stand to give it a chance to cure you. As you said at the end of your previous email, it is a very difficult commitment to make.
I would like to share your story with others while it is happening, similar to how I told people about Ann while her tumors were shrinking. Like I did for Ann at the time, I would hide your identity and contact information as long as you wished to remain anonymous, which could be permanently if you choose. Unlike in Ann's situation, we would like to post your correspondences with Ann and I before it is clear that carrot juice is working for you, so that people would see that your experience was not shared just because the outcome was favorable to carrot juice. I think this could be an invaluable step toward overcoming the accusations that carrot juice successes are merely "anecdotal"....
If you are uncomfortable with it, please feel free to just decline, and we will pass on the lessons we gain through your experience at a later time in a more general way....
Best wishes,
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Breast Cancer
From: Ariel
To: ralph90015@yahoo.com
CC: anncameron2009@hotmail.com
Hi Ralph,
That's not a problem, you can post our correspondence on your blog but I would appreciate remaining anonymous for the meantime. Oh I wanted to say that I am in fact my juicing 2.2kg per day and on a good day 3kg. If only I could juice 7lbs a day :),so if you could make the edit in my previous email that would be great. [The requested correction was made to Ariel's 12/17/13 email and to my response to it on 12/19 prior to posting it].
One question that I have is how did you manage to drink all your juice in one go? Apart from using a straw, after drinking one pint of carrot juice I don't have room for anything else. Can't remember if you changed your diet at all, I know Ann didn't really. Did you take supplements or did you do anything else that might have contributed to your recovery? I know that Chris who you mention on your website not only juiced carrots but intravenously had vit c administered amongst other things. This is why its difficult for people like me to believe that carrot juice alone can shrink the tumor.
I don't know if this will work for me and I have been told by caring friends that I'm playing with my life. But something in me is saying just give it a go. There seems to be so many different alternatives out there that it can get very confusing on which 'therapy' one should follow.
I do hope that the outcome of this trail will be favourable. Haven't come across anyone who has been able to cure their breast cancer with carrot juice alone only those that followed the Gerson Therapy.
Anyhow,I will let you know the outcome of my doctors appointment and when my surgery has been rescheduled for. Even though I know it's my choice to have surgery I really feel pressured by the doctors to have the surgery. People around me are saying its better out than in.
Thank you Ann for your email re Tamoxifen, I mention the possibilities of getting cancer of the uterus and my oncologist said that about the cancer you have and not the one you might get.
Hope all is well with you both, my back is getting better thank goodness and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Best wishes,
Ariel :) quite like that name.
PS is there a integrative therapist or a holistic/homeopathy specialists that either of you recommend that I speak to?
On 19 Dec 2013 at 11:41 AM, "Ann Cameron" <anncameron2009@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ariel,
Thanks so much for letting Ralph post. Great going with all the juice!
Regarding friends saying you're playing with your life--of course you are, but there are big risks in taking the orthodox medicine route, too. I think you have to go with your gut, plus all the research you can find.
Re tamoxifen--When the doctor says let's think about the cancer you have, not the one you might get, he's suggesting you choose to think short term, rather than long. The question is if that's the perspective you want to choose.
For any suggested medication, it's a good idea up to look up what patients have have had to say on patient reaction sites, for instance the site, askapatient.com because I don't think doctors are concerned enough about quality of life--if you are alive and not worsening as far as the cancer is concerned, they think you're a success. I just looked and those reporting have had weight gain, muscle cramps, bloating. Probably those who have no trouble don't report, so maybe it would go better for you than the report. Some of the reports I'll paste in below. They are easier to read on the site.
I think Chris might have been cured by carrots alone, as Ralph and I were, if he hadn't had vitamin C infusions. My husband had Vitamin C infusions and still died of lung cancer. I think the people on Gerson as well might have been cured just from the amount of carrot juice they drank. The problem is always the lack of statistics, so it's hard to know what's "enough" treatment, and that may vary from person to person.
I hope the tumor shrinks and you escape surgery. Surgery can spread cancer cells if not every single cancer cell is removed.
I think most oncoligists are sincere. Surgery and toxic drugs are what they have been taught in medical school is the proper treatment for cancer patients. They don't learn about nutrition or herbs. Their business, how they make their living, is by providing surgery, radiation or drugs. Isn't there a chance they'll overprescribe?
I recommend the book by John R. Lee, M.D., What your doctor won't tell you about Breast Cancer. Part of it is free on line: http://www.johnleemd.com/store/breast_cancer.html
I tend to research things at the drop of a hat. If you feel overloaded by what people say, and I'm saying too much, just tell me!
All the best, Ariel.
Ann
Dear Ariel,
I looked at more websites for review of tamoxifen. It seemed many women had no problem with it. I have a friend, now seventy, who had breast cancer surgery about 35 years ago, no chemo, no tamoxifen--and never had a recurrence.
I'm wishing you a full recovery and lots of faith in yourself.
Ann
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 3:50 PM
Hi Ann, thank you so much for your emails and I'm so sorry to hear about your husband. Cancer is such a horrible disease.
I had my appointment with the surgeon today and because of my back pain the surgery has been postponed until the New Year. My next appointment is on the 16th Jan so from now until then I will be religiously juicing the carrots and changing my diet. I hope to see some results but only time will tell.
If the tumor has shrunk more than likely i will postpone having surgery for a bit longer.
Not sure what the future might hold but i am feeling very positive and hopeful that juicing carrots will work for me also.
Oh and thank you for the link to the book, hopefully I can get it before Christmas.
Before I go, just want to get your opinion re breastfeeding. My diagnosis for my cancer is as follows -Grade 2, ER8/PR0, node positive invasive ductal carcinoma. As my immunophenotype is ER strong positive would it be advisable to stop breastfeeding to regulate my hormones? Oh and one more thing when I had my CT scan they found a lesion on my liver and recommended having a biopsy to find out if the cancer has spread to my liver. I've refused the biopsy as I'm not interested in finding out just yet and not sure if I will, its 15mm and it could simply be a cysts. So at this present moment in time I have no idea if my cancer has spread or not.
Anyhow, I hope all is well and I look forward to hearing from you soon,
Regards,
Ariel
On 19 Dec 2013 at 7:05 PM, "Ann Cameron" <anncameron2009@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ariel,
What a major question, Ariel! It goes way beyond my capacity to answer. You might write the co-writers of John R. Lee at: johnleemd.com
Dr. Lee died in 2003; but his colleagues might refer you to a good MD with your question.
Here's a discussion of the hormone oxytocin which is the one that makes lactation possible. I read a first article that says oxytocin inhibits tumors, then this which says its effects can vary, depending on the location of the tumor.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19863843
On 23 Dec 2013 02:00 AM, "Ralph Cole" <
ralph90015@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Ariel-
I wonder if you can estimate for me, in quarts or liters, how much carrot juice you drank in the last 7 days; that is, Monday through Sunday (just ended), and how many days you skipped, if any. There's no correct answer, of course, because you are doing it for you, not for us, but if you can give us an accurate idea of what you are doing it will help us know better what to tell people to expect. If it happened that you weren't able to drink as much as you intended this week, for example, or if you went beyond your normal amount, then we could relate your recovery time to your carrot intake and give people a more complete picture of what carrot juice can do. I also wonder how you determined the weight of the carrots you were juicing, that is, whether the weight was on the package. One kg is 2.2 lbs., so when you said you were juicing 2.2 kg per day, it seems like a strange amount to be packaging carrots in. It sounded like maybe you were confusing 2.2 lbs. for 2.2 kg. If you are going by labels, we would appreciate it if you would please check them again and confirm with Ann and I what they say. Also, 5 lbs. of carrots is made up of 30 to 35 average-size carrots. Does that sound like the amount you are doing? I haven't gone through the emails lately but I think you mentioned your body seemed to resist more than a pint at a time. 5 lbs. should be producing about 5 cups, which is over a liter. Have you been able to get past the pint limit and actually drink that much daily, possibly by spreading it out over the day as Ann did?
Again, it's your decision entirely how much to juice and drink, if any, so please don't feel like we are pushing you to drink more juice. Although we would like very much to see you recover, we would like to know how much you are drinking so we can better help others. Accuracy is our only concern for the purpose of reporting, not amount.
One thing I want to mention is why we asked if we post your emails on our website. It is because you told us you were juicing before you knew the result. Most of the stories we get are from people that don't tell us they are juicing until they've seen progress. Although this is great news, it doesn't tell us anything about the proportion of those who juice that juicing helps. That is why your email thread is potentially very significant.
Also, can you tell me if you have acquired an orange tinge, and if so, whether it has darkened or lightened since you first noticed it.
Thank you very much for your assistance, and best wishes for happy holidays!
Ralph
On 23 Dec 2013 09:13, Ariel wrote:
Hi Ralph, good to hear from you.
For clarity at the moment I am drinking 2.5pints a day. When I started it was less than that but at this moment in time I am roughly drinking this amount each day.
I am trying to get into some sort of routine to ensure that I do drink at least 5 cups (2.5pints) a day. As mentioned when I drink the carrot juice I have to take it at a moderate pace otherwise it goes straight through me. I've also thrown up once due to eating something directly after drinking the juice so I'm learning to listen to my body and not overload it with too much too soon.
I am trying to drink the juice across the day but I've noticed that come the end of the day I find it very difficult. So I end up up trying to get my quota late at night past 11pm ( I'm a bit of a night owl).
Also, when I do drink the carrot juice I feel quite full and don't feel hungry at all. Sometimes I feel as if I'm on a juice diet and could easily go the whole day without eating anything.
So for the past seven days I believe I managed to drink 2.5pints each day but for one of those days I only drank about half a pint. Initially I was buying 700g bags and juicing only 3.5 bags but now I buy 4 x 750bag of carrots and juice all four bags a day.
I'm going to try the following routine next week to see how I go.
Morning - juice two 750g bags which makes about 2.5 cups
Afternoon- juice the remaining 2 bags of carrots
Evening have a light meal which might be a salad or soup.
The only problem I have is that it takes me awhile to drink the juice and I'm worried that I'll lose all of the nutritional benefits when juicing a lot of carrots in one go as it can sit there for an hour. But apart from that all is going well.
The other problem I'm facing is the possibilities of the cancer spreading. However, if juicing carrots is working for me (as I know it may not work for everyone) then in theory my cancer shouldn't spread and the size of the tumor should stay the same or possibly shrink in size, so only time will tell really.
As mentioned the date of my next appointment with the surgeon is on the 16th January and I should also have a scan before any surgery takes place. If the results are positive then I will continue on my juicing journey. If not then a lumpectomy might be an option.
Finally, I'm thinking of getting a better juicer. I know that the champion juicer seems quite popular and produces a higher quality of juice. So this New Year I'll buy the juicer as a gift to myself. The juicer that I'm currently using produces some pulp in my juice which can make drinking the juice quite difficult and not a pleasurable experience.
Well I do hope that I've been able to clarify things. I think I will start keeping a diary from now on and measure in cups exactly how much I'm drinking each day. I already know that on Christmas day I may only drink 2.5cups.
Well I haven't noticed any change in colour but as I'm have dark skin its quite difficult to tell.
I hope all is well and that you are both looking forward to Christmas. Oh the book you recommended for me Ann has arrived so many thanks for that.
Wishing you both a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,
Ariel
Dear Ariel,
Thanks for being so exact about the juicing number. It's very helpful for Ralph and me to build a record of what works with the juice.
Merry Christmas, and a very good New Year with fewer problems--
Ann
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 23:49:47 +0000
Subject: Hello
From: Ariel
To: anncameron2009@hotmail.com
CC: ralph90015@yahoo.com
I hope you both had a wonderful Christmas. Just to update you, on the 24th and 25th I didn't manage to juice any carrots and today I only had 2.5 cups. Tomorrow I'm aiming to get back onto my daily routine minus all the temptations of Christmas. I've noticed that it now takes me 35min to drink 2.5cups.
I wanted to know, when you were both juicing, was your diets relatively healthy allowing for a few treats here and there?
Oh I forgot to mention but I had requested a second opinion to speak to another surgeon to determine whether or not I had to remove most of my lymph nodes under my armpits or if there is a test they could do so that they removed only the cancerous cells. I have my appointment tomorrow but I'm quite concerned that if I have the surgery that I'm at risk of getting developing lymphodemia.
You mentioned that if they didn't remove all of the cancerous cells in my breast than the cancer could possibly spread elsewhere. Could you pls expand on this?
I know you are not qualified MDs but in your opinion what are your views about surgery seeing that you both had it and what questions would you advise me to ask the surgeon tomorrow?
Many thanks,
Ariel
Dear Ariel,
Ralph told me he skipped carrots one day a week. I did them every day, except when traveling, so out of eight months, I skipped probably three weeks in short journeys. Skipping one day a week won't prevent a cure, don' worry.
My diet included, pancakes, pizza, meat, milk, salads, a lot of fruit, ice cream, and some chocolate. I didn't change it at all, just had the carrot juice.
Questions about surgery. First, if any cancerous cells are left, they will continue to grow and eventually it's likely they'll metastasize to other parts of the body. But, there's a chance that you could skip surgery and the carrots will destroy the cancer without your needing surgery. I had surgery before I knew about carrots. I lost all the muscle on the right side of the abdomen. Now I think I would have done carrots and not had surgery. But I was feeling very bad for weeks before surgery. Maybe the cancer would have overwhelmed me despite carrots. So I'm not sure what I'd do.
I had a friend who got a very swollen and enlarged arm after lymph nodes under her arm were removed. This was painful and uncomfortable for her. In the end a few years later she died of the cancer. Maybe her life was extended by the surgery, but I am not sure.
I'm sure you'll want to know your surgeon's opinion of your risk of lymphoedema. How much less is your risk of cancer growing if you have the surgery vs. if you don't? Does having the lymph surgery permanently stop cancer from growing? How many people with the surgery go on to die from cancer? Is there a chance that the surgery will disrupt cancerous cells and cause them to move elsewhere in the body?
The basic question is risk versus benefit. If there's no clear documented benefit, I wouldn't have the surgery.
I believe that IF carrots are effective for you, you don't need surgery. The carrots alone will gradually eliminate the cancer. The problem is the "IF." Maybe postponing the surgery would be the best choice.
In my case in Nov. 2012 when a CT scan showed the two tumors between my lungs growing, the oncologist wanted me to have chemo and I declined. I asked how much more risk I would be in if I postponed chemo, and waited another eight weeks to decide on it. She said the risk would be about the same. Eight weeks later, during which time I had the carrot juice every day, the two tumors had stopped growing and shrunk, so then I was glad I had declined the chemotherapy.
Listen to your heart and ask it and your body what they feel about more treatment. I do think our intuition can give us an idea that seems right for us. Doctors who are trained to do surgery like to do it and are well paid for it. They can be biased about what's best for you, by their financial interest and their lack of knowledge of other alternatives. Also, since I cured my cancer without chemo or radiation, I've very impressed by the experience I've had, effortlessly leaving cancer behind. There is not evidence yet to say what will benefit you for sure.
The latest cure news (except her illness was never diagnosed) is of a 67 year old Mayan woman who was an invalid, not eating, hardly walking and coughing a lot just two weeks ago. After five weeks of carrots, she's much better, eating three meals a day, able to walk a kilometer at a good space, and very happy to be recover from her illness.
Good luck tomorrow!
Ann
On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:08 AM, RD <RD@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ralph,
Can you say what happened with Ariel Blog/Post December 2013?
I would like to find out if the carrot juice worked for her?
Many thanks
RD
On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:14 AM, Ralph Cole <ralph90015@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello RD-
Someone asked me to forward an email to her in 2013. She hasn't been in touch with me since.
Best wishes,
Ralph
PS: An email I sent to her yesterday has been returned as undeliverable. -Ralph, 1/26/17